Comments on: 6a.net Domain Name Stolen via Paypal Charge Back http://www.dotweekly.com/6a-net-domain-name-stolen-via-paypal-charge-back/ Sun, 12 Feb 2012 21:29:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Your experiences with PayPal? - NamePros.com http://www.dotweekly.com/6a-net-domain-name-stolen-via-paypal-charge-back/#comment-6671 Your experiences with PayPal? - NamePros.com Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:25:31 +0000 http://www.dotweekly.com/?p=1724#comment-6671 [...] your domain name, you have very little chance at getting it back. Here is one example: 6a.net Domain Name Stolen via Paypal Charge Back : DotWeekly.com Domain Name Blog __________________ DotWeekly.com <--My Blog BuyExpiringDomains.com <-- Hand picked expiring [...] [...] your domain name, you have very little chance at getting it back. Here is one example: 6a.net Domain Name Stolen via Paypal Charge Back : DotWeekly.com Domain Name Blog __________________ DotWeekly.com <–My Blog BuyExpiringDomains.com <– Hand picked expiring [...]

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]]> By: LazyDomaining http://www.dotweekly.com/6a-net-domain-name-stolen-via-paypal-charge-back/#comment-6024 LazyDomaining Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:38:23 +0000 http://www.dotweekly.com/?p=1724#comment-6024 Paypal(+CC) is a strict no if the buyer has no solid reputation. Escrow should be strictly opted for all transactions above $500 especially when the buyer has no solid reputation and wants to pay using Paypal. Hope Mike gets his name back. Paypal(+CC) is a strict no if the buyer has no solid reputation. Escrow should be strictly opted for all transactions above $500 especially when the buyer has no solid reputation and wants to pay using Paypal. Hope Mike gets his name back.

]]> By: Jamie Zoch http://www.dotweekly.com/6a-net-domain-name-stolen-via-paypal-charge-back/#comment-6021 Jamie Zoch Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:11:43 +0000 http://www.dotweekly.com/?p=1724#comment-6021 @Pubdomains, I wish there was a process to recover a stolen domain... ICANN doesn't help, Internic.net seems to do little, Paypal is more for protecting the buyer then the seller. Your best shot is providing enough proof to the domains Registrar to have the it transferred back. @Pubdomains,
I wish there was a process to recover a stolen domain… ICANN doesn’t help, Internic.net seems to do little, Paypal is more for protecting the buyer then the seller. Your best shot is providing enough proof to the domains Registrar to have the it transferred back.

]]> By: Jamie Zoch http://www.dotweekly.com/6a-net-domain-name-stolen-via-paypal-charge-back/#comment-6020 Jamie Zoch Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:07:53 +0000 http://www.dotweekly.com/?p=1724#comment-6020 @Stephen If Godaddy really wanted to assist, I'm sure they easily could but I can see why they may want to stay out of any issue similar to this. Proof is a hard thing to prove but with a little help from Paypal, GD should have the proof they need. As for the creation date.. The domain was purchased in an Expired auction in 2006 at Pool.com from what I can tell. @Stephen
If Godaddy really wanted to assist, I’m sure they easily could but I can see why they may want to stay out of any issue similar to this. Proof is a hard thing to prove but with a little help from Paypal, GD should have the proof they need. As for the creation date.. The domain was purchased in an Expired auction in 2006 at Pool.com from what I can tell.

]]> By: John http://www.dotweekly.com/6a-net-domain-name-stolen-via-paypal-charge-back/#comment-6019 John Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:52:13 +0000 http://www.dotweekly.com/?p=1724#comment-6019 There is options available for cheap escrows, even with a fixed fee. Putting trust in Paypal is not a smart move. There is options available for cheap escrows, even with a fixed fee. Putting trust in Paypal is not a smart move.

]]> By: Stephen Douglas http://www.dotweekly.com/6a-net-domain-name-stolen-via-paypal-charge-back/#comment-6018 Stephen Douglas Wed, 10 Jun 2009 09:12:48 +0000 http://www.dotweekly.com/?p=1724#comment-6018 This is very alarming. I think Paypal and the registrars together should at least provide enough data for the holding registrar to make a judgement on whether the domain was obtained/sold/transferred legitimately. This is a sad but very good article, Jamie. The more domainers are informed, the less this will happen. Even more alarming is that the domain is registered at GoDaddy. This registrar, the largest by far of all registrars, has the resources and means to police transfers and purchases within their systems. With all the users they have, what would bad press about them not responding to scam investigations by their customers, or to investigate customers who are suspected of scamming? If Godaddy doesn't investigate complaints like this, then they are partners in the crime. Current whois for "6a.net" as I write: Registrant: Jehad Almustafa PO Box 5265 Fujairah, 12345 United Arab Emirates Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com) Domain Name: 6A.NET Created on: 24-Jan-06 Expires on: 24-Jan-10 Last Updated on: 12-May-09 Administrative Contact: Almustafa, Jehad jmgulf@yahoo.com PO Box 5265 Fujairah, 12345 United Arab Emirates +971.1650602 Fax -- Technical Contact: Almustafa, Jehad jmgulf@yahoo.com PO Box 5265 Fujairah, 12345 United Arab Emirates +971.1650602 Fax -- Domain servers in listed order: NS1.SPEEDYDNS.NET NS2.SPEEDYDNS.NET What is odd is that the "CREATION DATE" on the whois is listed as the year 2006. Huh? I'm sure this domain was created long before 2006. Hope this works out well for the owner/seller. We all need to feel comfortable in knowing that selling a domain name through well-known banking services such as paypal will protect us. This is very alarming.
I think Paypal and the registrars together should at least provide enough data for the holding registrar to make a judgement on whether the domain was obtained/sold/transferred legitimately.

This is a sad but very good article, Jamie. The more domainers are informed, the less this will happen.

Even more alarming is that the domain is registered at GoDaddy. This registrar, the largest by far of all registrars, has the resources and means to police transfers and purchases within their systems. With all the users they have, what would bad press about them not responding to scam investigations by their customers, or to investigate customers who are suspected of scamming? If Godaddy doesn’t investigate complaints like this, then they are partners in the crime.

Current whois for “6a.net” as I write:

Registrant:
Jehad Almustafa
PO Box 5265
Fujairah, 12345
United Arab Emirates

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: 6A.NET
Created on: 24-Jan-06
Expires on: 24-Jan-10
Last Updated on: 12-May-09

Administrative Contact:
Almustafa, Jehad jmgulf@yahoo.com
PO Box 5265
Fujairah, 12345
United Arab Emirates
+971.1650602 Fax –

Technical Contact:
Almustafa, Jehad jmgulf@yahoo.com
PO Box 5265
Fujairah, 12345
United Arab Emirates
+971.1650602 Fax –

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.SPEEDYDNS.NET
NS2.SPEEDYDNS.NET

What is odd is that the “CREATION DATE” on the whois is listed as the year 2006. Huh? I’m sure this domain was created long before 2006.

Hope this works out well for the owner/seller. We all need to feel comfortable in knowing that selling a domain name through well-known banking services such as paypal will protect us.

]]> By: Pubdomains http://www.dotweekly.com/6a-net-domain-name-stolen-via-paypal-charge-back/#comment-6017 Pubdomains Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:41:17 +0000 http://www.dotweekly.com/?p=1724#comment-6017 It would be good if you could also tell us more about the process to recover stolen domains. Does ICANN have any say in establishing ownership or to prevent recurrence of such fraud in future. After all they charge 20c for each domain registered and must have to be accountable for something, instead of acting as tax collector only!!! It would be good if you could also tell us more about the process to recover stolen domains. Does ICANN have any say in establishing ownership or to prevent recurrence of such fraud in future. After all they charge 20c for each domain registered and must have to be accountable for something, instead of acting as tax collector only!!!

]]> By: Leonard Britt http://www.dotweekly.com/6a-net-domain-name-stolen-via-paypal-charge-back/#comment-6012 Leonard Britt Wed, 10 Jun 2009 00:50:06 +0000 http://www.dotweekly.com/?p=1724#comment-6012 One thought which came to mind on this topic is that the domain marketplaces pay via Paypal (if that is the option you select). If there were ever a disagreement over parking revenues, a domain purchase, advertising service, etc... One thought which came to mind on this topic is that the domain marketplaces pay via Paypal (if that is the option you select). If there were ever a disagreement over parking revenues, a domain purchase, advertising service, etc…

]]> By: Bulls http://www.dotweekly.com/6a-net-domain-name-stolen-via-paypal-charge-back/#comment-6010 Bulls Tue, 09 Jun 2009 23:40:43 +0000 http://www.dotweekly.com/?p=1724#comment-6010 My policy is ..I never do business with anybody outside USA/Canada. PLAIN AND SIMPLY. I want to meet the buyer in person. My policy is ..I never do business with anybody outside USA/Canada.
PLAIN AND SIMPLY.

I want to meet the buyer in person.

]]> By: Jamie Zoch http://www.dotweekly.com/6a-net-domain-name-stolen-via-paypal-charge-back/#comment-6009 Jamie Zoch Tue, 09 Jun 2009 23:29:08 +0000 http://www.dotweekly.com/?p=1724#comment-6009 @Leonard, I spoke with Paypal several times to have them at least consider putting in a better option for digital items to protect the seller better, but you know how that goes. Paypal use to make four figures in fees from me each year, but not any more. It's Mass Pay or no pay from me via Paypal unless it's coming from a company I trust. @Leonard,
I spoke with Paypal several times to have them at least consider putting in a better option for digital items to protect the seller better, but you know how that goes. Paypal use to make four figures in fees from me each year, but not any more. It’s Mass Pay or no pay from me via Paypal unless it’s coming from a company I trust.

]]> By: Jamie Zoch http://www.dotweekly.com/6a-net-domain-name-stolen-via-paypal-charge-back/#comment-6008 Jamie Zoch Tue, 09 Jun 2009 23:26:17 +0000 http://www.dotweekly.com/?p=1724#comment-6008 @Tia, Mike had contacted Adam, which he stated to deal with the registrar (I thought he did work at Godaddy). The scammers account BigNameLover has been closed at DNF. @Tia,
Mike had contacted Adam, which he stated to deal with the registrar (I thought he did work at Godaddy). The scammers account BigNameLover has been closed at DNF.

]]> By: Ross http://www.dotweekly.com/6a-net-domain-name-stolen-via-paypal-charge-back/#comment-6006 Ross Tue, 09 Jun 2009 22:08:16 +0000 http://www.dotweekly.com/?p=1724#comment-6006 Mike had contacted me as well. Had not done the research yet to give advice to him. Hopefully we can all band together and figure the best way for him to handle this situation. Mike had contacted me as well. Had not done the research yet to give advice to him. Hopefully we can all band together and figure the best way for him to handle this situation.

]]> By: Leonard Britt http://www.dotweekly.com/6a-net-domain-name-stolen-via-paypal-charge-back/#comment-6005 Leonard Britt Tue, 09 Jun 2009 22:01:04 +0000 http://www.dotweekly.com/?p=1724#comment-6005 You would think Paypal would have addressed this scam by now. Really sad because Paypal transactions avoid those 10% commissions we pay to the marketplaces. Better a 10% commission than giving your domain away for free... You would think Paypal would have addressed this scam by now. Really sad because Paypal transactions avoid those 10% commissions we pay to the marketplaces. Better a 10% commission than giving your domain away for free…

]]> By: Tia Wood http://www.dotweekly.com/6a-net-domain-name-stolen-via-paypal-charge-back/#comment-6004 Tia Wood Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:56:59 +0000 http://www.dotweekly.com/?p=1724#comment-6004 I received an email too from him. Has anyone tried contacting Adam Dicker of DNF yet? I received an email too from him. Has anyone tried contacting Adam Dicker of DNF yet?

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